October 9 Morning Edition

GOPUSA ILLINOIS
— Who are the conservative leaders in Illinois, in your county, in your township/ward, and in your municipality? How many and which Republican activists, candidates, elected officials, party leaders, major donors, and political consultants in Illinois read their emails? During the last week, last month, and last year, what have they written in support of the traditional family, right to life, immigration, illegal drugs, equal opportunity (no race or gender based preference giving) and other planks in the Republican Party platform and the Illinois Republican Party platform? What have they written in support of the Milton Township Republican Central Committee resolution against video gambling? If conservative leaders in Illinois were to meet to discuss actions to take concerning Rauner/Sanguinetti, which conservative leaders would you want to participate in that meeting and why? My critics/opponents, their operatives, and their dupes dismiss/belittle/badmouth the fact I have been the GOPUSA Illinois Editor since 2000 and a Republican Precinct Committeeman since 1999. They dismiss/belittle/badmouth a) my knowledge of the important conservative leaders in Illinois; b) my knowledge of the important Republican activists, candidates, elected officials, party leaders, major donors, and political consultants in Illinois; and c) my enhanced knowledge of Brady, Breen, Ives, Proft, Sanguinetti, etc. They stress that I am no longer a TAPROOT Republicans of Illinois chairman, Wheaton Chamber of Commerce Government Affairs Committee member, Milton Township Republican Central Committee (MTRCC) webmaster, Illinois Center Right Coalition (ICRC) Steering Committee (SC) member, American Association of Political Consultants Midwest Chapter board member, GAO employee, etc. They stress that lost 69 to 13 when I ran for MTRCC Treasurer in 2004 in the Wheaton Bowl Banquet Hall. They stress that an ICRC SC member tried to get ICRC to censure me because of my GOPUSA ILLLINOIS emails at ICRC’s 2006 Annual Convention in the Wheaton Bowl Banquet Hall.  My critics/opponents a) are moral relativists who believe that their end justifies their means, b) are disciples of Saul Alinsky, and c) focus on destroying individuals like me, organizations like TAPROOT, companies, governments, etc. that they cannot manipulate/dominate. – Dave Diersen
https://gopillinois.com

 

DAILY HERALD
— FRONT PAGE WITH COLOR PHOTO OF LESTER: Is Illinois GOP uniting in opposition to Rauner, abortion? – Kerry Lester  (DIERSEN: Are you a Republican Precinct Committeeman?  Are you “not passing (Rauner/Sanguinetti) petitions?” I have gathered 34 signatures on 3 petition sheets from Republican voters in 19 homes in my DuPage County Milton Township Precinct 9 in Wheaton. Since 2000, my policy has been to gather signatures from Republican voters in my precinct for all the announced Republican candidates who will be Republican primary ballots in my precinct.)
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20171009/lester-is-illinois-gop-uniting-in-opposition-to-rauner-abortion
(FROM THE ARTICLE: State Rep. Jeanne Ives of Wheaton says the state Republican party, criticized in recent months for its internal squabbles, is banding together in opposition to GOP Gov. Bruce Rauner’s approval of an abortion funding measure last month. “Certainly, the party’s fractured, but when I talk to my colleagues, they’re not supporting Rauner, not passing his petitions,” Ives says. “We actually seem to be uniting against the signing of this bill.” Ives might be on to something. The Illinois Republican congressional delegation released a joint statement describing Rauner’s signing of the measure, which expands taxpayer funding of abortions and ensures the procedure remains legal in Illinois, as one that “let down taxpayers and the unborn.” He’s also angered former allies, including conservative radio host Dan Proft, who runs a political action committee that has in the past spent millions supporting candidates that have backed Rauner’s agenda. The conservative Illinois Policy Institute, whose former head exited as Rauner’s chief of staff on Friday, deemed the governor “Benedict Rauner” over the abortion bill. Possible opponents? Ives, whose name’s been floated as a possible Rauner opponent, isn’t committing to an election bid so far. Neither is state Rep. Peter Breen of Lombard, a Thomas More Society attorney who says he refuses to support Rauner after the governor signed the abortion bill. State Sen. Bill Brady, who ran with a socially conservative platform as his party’s gubernatorial nominee three times, most recently in 2014, also wouldn’t say if he’s in or out. Proft didn’t return messages seeking comment. Rauner, for his part, has been leaving voicemails for Republican legislators with the message that the abortion issue is “very emotional, very difficult.” He says he’s pro-choice, but hopes the party can “move past these issues and respectfully agree to disagree” and focus on jobs, tax reduction, higher family incomes, school choice, political reforms and ethics reforms “so we can win and become the majority party again.”)
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: Ever-increasingly, members of the following groups use children as cannon fodder: anti-Trump, anti-Protestant, anti-conservative, anti-Republican, anti-American, anti-White, anti-male, anti-older people, anti-rich people, anti-gun owners, and anti-those whose ancestors have been in America longer than their ancestors.
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20171009/lester-is-illinois-gop-uniting-in-opposition-to-rauner-abortion
(FROM THE ARTICLE: Evanston High School, meanwhile, saw players and marching band members kneel during a game late last month against New Trier High School. Evanston Township District 202 Superintendent Eric Witherspoon read a statement over the loudspeaker saying “we must work as a community to combat systems of oppression aimed at our black, Latino, Muslim, refugee, immigrant and LGBT communities.” It was a message, he said, Evanston students helped with.)

 

CHICAGO TRIBUNE
— Rep. Gutierrez: Trump’s immigration proposals ‘an extension of the white supremacist agenda’ – Ed O’Keefe  (DIERSEN: Ever-increasing, Democrats make it clear that they want to get rid of individuals, organizations, companies, governments, and countries that are Trump supporters, Protestant, conservative, Republican, American, White, male, older, rich, gun owners, and those whose ancestors have been in America for a long time.)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gutierrez-trump-immigration-20171008-story.html
— FRONT PAGE WITH COLOR PICTURE: In rural Henry County, support for Trump remains but some cracks starting to show – Ted Gregory  (DIERSEN: How many votes did Trump and Clinton get in your precinct?  In my DuPage County Milton Township Precinct 9, Trump got only 137 and Clinton got 211.)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-trump-henry-county-voters-anxious-met-20171008-story.html
(FROM THE ARTICLE: A predominantly agricultural county with two ethanol plants and three gun manufacturers, Henry County in far western Illinois is a compelling indicator of the existing political landscape: Like almost all of rural Illinois, it went for Trump by a wide margin — he got 14,000 votes there to Hillary Clinton’s 8,900. Yet the county supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, but went with George W. Bush in 2004.)
— MARCH 26, 1998 FLASHBACK: Milton Township Gop Elects Upstart Leader Chris Heidorn  Unusual Vote Called A Conservative Swing – Deborah Kadin
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-03-26/news/9803260282_1_gop-group-precinct-committeemen-election
— MARCH 23, 1998 FLASHBACK: Precinct Leaders Taking Sides In Township Battle  Milton Conservatives Feud With Moderates – Lisa Black
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-03-23/news/9803230091_1_committeemen-bond-referendum-school-board-races
— MARCH 12, 1998 FLASHBACK: Gop Split Festering In Milton Township  Party Organization Facing A Battle Royal – Lisa Black and William Grady
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-03-12/news/9803120232_1_moderates-republican-organizations-gop

 

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
— Democratic candidates for governor face off in progressive forum – Taylor Hartz (DIERSEN: If I was still the TAPROOT Republicans of Illinois chairman, the organization would still be hosting candidate forums. Contested races include those for DuPage County Sheriff, DuPage County Board District 4, and DuPage County Circuit Court Judge. I should write a book about those who took the lead in destroying TAPROOT in 2012, their operatives, and their dupes.)
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/democratic-candidates-for-governor-face-off-in-progressive-forum/
— Parents are pulling younger kids away from playing football – Bob Susnjara, Jake Griffin and Mitch Dudek  (DIERSEN: My outstanding parents did not push me toward football. I could not have played football anyway because I had Osgood-Schlatter disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osgood%E2%80%93Schlatter_disease).)
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/parents-are-pulling-younger-kids-away-from-playing-football/
— Chance the Rapper livestreams traffic stop on Instagram – Tom Schuba (DIERSEN: Because of the hatred that anti-Trumps are promoting, Trump supporters should consider livestreaming their encounters with anti-Trumps.)
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chance-rapper-livestream-traffic-stop/

 

DAILY HERALD
— Recreational marijuana a bad idea – Kim Freitag, Elgin
http://www.dailyherald.com/discuss/20171009/recreational-marijuana-a-bad-idea
— Antioch Township Assessor takes wrong approach to solving office dispute – Editorial
http://www.dailyherald.com/discuss/20171009/editorial-assessor-takes-wrong-approach-to-solving-office-dispute
— Indigenous Peoples Day? Italians say stick with Columbus – AP
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20171008/news/310089926/
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: In a front page editorial with a color photo unethically made to look like a news article, anti-Trumps promote Mexico, its citizens, and its language.
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20171009/elgin-teacher-inspires-students-through-language

 

ABC7
— White House releases long list of demands for DACA fix – AP
http://abc7chicago.com/politics/white-house-releases-long-list-of-demands-for-daca-fix/2509466/

 

NBC5
— Democratic Candidates for Illinois Governor Gather for Gubernatorial Forum – Mary Ann Ahern (DIERSEN: If I was still the TAPROOT Republicans of Illinois chairman, the organization would still be hosting candidate forums. Contested races include those for DuPage County Sheriff, DuPage County Board District 4, and DuPage County Circuit Court Judge. I should write a book about those who took the lead in destroying TAPROOT in 2012, their operatives, and their dupes.)
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Democratic-Candidates-for-Illinois-Governor-Gather-for-Gubernatorial-Forum-450068123.html

 

SPRINGFIELD STATE JOURNAL REGISTER
— Gun control measures on agenda for veto session – Doug Finke
http://www.sj-r.com/news/20171008/gun-control-measures-on-agenda-for-veto-session

 

DAILY NORTHWESTERN
— Democratic gubernatorial candidates push free tuition, single-payer health care – Kristina Karisch  (DIERSEN: How many hours did you work to pay for your college expenses? If tuition had been free for you, would you have gotten better grades? To pay for my college expenses at UIC 1966-1969 and at NIU 1969-1970 and for news cars to get to and from work and school, I washed dishes 1964-1966; cleaned golf shoes, chipped slag, and pumped gasoline in 1966; delivered mail 1966-1969; and worked on an automobile assemble line and as a security guard in 1970.)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2017/10/09/city/democratic-gubernatorial-candidates-push-free-tuition-single-payer-health-care/

 

CENTRAL ILLINOIS PROUD
— Trump’s praise of Columbus omits dark history – HOLLY YAN  (DIERSEN: What is your parents’ dark history? What is your grandparents’ dark history? What is your great grandparents’ dark history? What is the rest of your ancestors’ dark history? Ever-increasingly, if you are White and/or male, the longer that your ancestors have been in America, the more that anti-Whites and anti-males call for you to pay for the sins of your parents, for the sins of your grandparents, for the sins of your great grandparents, and for the sins the rest of your ancestors.)
http://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/national/trumps-praise-of-columbus-omits-dark-history/830794716
— GOP sees how narrow margin is on tax reform  Can Republicans get enough votes? – LAUREN FOX (DIERSEN: Of course, my critics/opponents, their operatives, and their dupes are beyond furious that the deductibility of real estate taxes and medical expenses has enabled my wife and I to save federal taxes by itemizing.)
http://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/politics/gop-sees-how-narrow-margin-is-on-tax-reform/830965507

 

WVIK
— Public Forum on Illinois State Budget – HERB TRIX
http://wvik.org/post/public-forum-illinois-state-budget#stream/0

 

UPSTREAM IDEAS
— The Conservative Revolt Against Bruce Rauner
http://upstream-ideas.com/upstream-ideas/ideas/the-conservative-revolt-against-bruce-rauner
(FROM THE ARTICLE: Following Gov. Bruce Rauner’s decisions to sign taxpayer-funded abortion and sanctuary state legislation, conservative lawmakers and voters alike are abandoning their support for the first-term governor. On this edition of Illinois Rising, Dan Proft and Pat Hughes talk to state Sen. Kyle McCarter, R-Lebanon, about the prospects for a primary challenge to Rauner from someone on his right. Proft and Hughes also break down the results of a new study showing Illinois as one of the least desirable states in the country in which to do business. And they discuss the new primary challenger to House Minority Leader Jim Durkin.)

 

ILLINOIS NEWS NETWORK
— Still no meetings held to balance budget governor says is $1.7 billion out of balance – Greg Bishop
https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/still-no-meetings-held-to-balance-budget-governor-says-is/article_beb1ced2-aae1-11e7-a44f-734087cbc820.html

 

ILLINOIS REVIEW
— ILLINOIS CONSERVATIVE’S HOME AND CAR VANDALIZED
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2017/10/illinois-conservatives-home-and-car-vandalized.html

 

WASHINGTON EXAMINER
— Is Trump still the same guy who won in November? – W. James Antle III  (DIERSEN: One could ask is Rauner still the same guy who won in 2014? Ever-increasingly, Rauner acts against conservative principles and against the Illinois Republican Party platform.)
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-trump-still-the-same-guy-who-won-in-november/article/2636729

 

WASHINGTON TIMES
— Trump unveils new strict 70-point immigration enforcement plan  Calls for comprehensive rewrite of laws to stiffen border and interior, cut chain migration – Stephen Dinan
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/8/trump-send-70-point-immigration-enforcement-list-c/

 

PJ MEDIA
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: Individuals, organizations, companies, governments, and countries that are members of the following groups want Republicans to pander to Hispanics: anti-Trump, anti-Protestant, anti-conservative, anti-Republican, anti-American, anti-White, anti-male, anti-older people, anti-rich people, anti-gun owners, anti-German Americans, and/or anti-those whose ancestors have been in America longer than their ancestors.)
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/08/rep-castro-gop-can-regain-confidence-trust-latinos-backing-dream-act/

 

DAILY CALLER
— Trump Requests Border Wall Funding, Fewer Green Cards And More Deportations – Alex Pfeiffer
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/08/trump-requests-border-wall-funding-fewer-green-cards-and-more-deportations/
— Top Obama Officials Spent Nearly $1 Million On Non-Commercial Flights – Michael Bastasch
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/08/exclusive-top-obama-officials-spent-nearly-1-million-on-non-commercial-flights/

 

THE HILL
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: An anti-Trump says “Trump foments the Republican civil war of 2017.”
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/354519-trump-foments-the-republican-civil-war-of-2017
— Gutierrez rips Trump immigration proposals: ‘An extension of the white supremacist agenda’ – REBECCA SAVRANSKY
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/354498-dem-lawmaker-rips-trump-immigration-proposals-an-extension-of-the-white
— Durbin: Congress shouldn’t include Trump’s demands in DACA legislation – JACQUELINE THOMSEN
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/354491-top-dem-congress-shouldnt-include-trumps-demands-in-daca-legislation

 

REUTERS
— Trump seeks border wall, crackdown on unaccompanied minors for ‘Dreamer’ deal – Jeff Mason
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-exclusive/trump-seeks-border-wall-crackdown-on-unaccompanied-minors-for-dreamer-deal-idUSKBN1CD10L

 

NEW YORK TIMES
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: Anti-Trumps say “White House Makes Hard-Line Demands for Any ‘Dreamers’ Deal.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/us/politics/white-house-daca.html
— Bob Corker Says Trump’s Recklessness Threatens ‘World War III’ – JONATHAN MARTIN and MARK LANDLER
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/us/politics/trump-corker.html
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: An anti-Trump says “Attacking Media as Distraction. Mr. Trump is putting on a sideshow to take attention away from his failures.” I should write a book about all those who have attacked me for what I do as your GOPUSA Illinois Editor. They include “Republican” activists, candidates, elected officials, party leaders, major donors, political consultants, etc. in Wheaton, in Glen Ellyn, Milton Township, DuPage County, and Illinois.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/opinion/trump-attacks-twitter-media.html

 

WASHINGTON POST
— Platinum pensions: Rich CEOs aren’t like you and me. They get multimillion-dollar pensions even when they’re forced out of their jobs. – Michelle Singletary  (DIERSEN: Because my Democrat superiors in the federal government wasted my career and forced me to take their early retirement “offer” in 1997 when I was 49 years old, my Civil Service Retirement System pension is dramatically reduced.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2017/10/09/platinum-pensions-rich-ceos-arent-like-you-and-me-they-get-multimillion-dollar-pensions-even-when-theyre-forced-out-of-their-jobs/
— Trump tries to weaken federal unions, but their membership grows in reaction to GOP actions – Joe Davidson  (DIERSEN: I was a union member while I worked for the Post Office 1966-1969 and for IRS 1971-1980.  If GAO had been unionized in 1997, I might still be a GAO employee.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/10/09/trump-tries-to-weaken-federal-unions-but-their-membership-grows-in-reaction-to-gop-actions/

 

LOS ANGELES TIMES
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: Anti-Trumps say “Hardline White House immigration proposals could derail deal to protect Dreamers.”
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-immigration-20171008-story.html

 

USA TODAY
— FRONT PAGE TOP OF FOLD WITH COLOR PHOTO OF SPENCER: White supremacists say rally in Charlottesville is model for protests across nation – John Bacon
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/08/white-supremacists-say-rally-charlottesville-model-more-protests-across-south/744087001/
— HARDCOPY ARTICLE TITLE: My ancestor didn’t bring American sin. There is plenty of blame for those who came before and after Christopher Columbus.  (DIERSEN: What is your parents’ dark history? What is your grandparents’ dark history? What is your great grandparents’ dark history? What is the rest of your ancestors’ dark history? Ever-increasingly, if you are White and/or male, the longer that your ancestors have been in America, the more that anti-Whites and anti-males call for you to pay for the sins of your parents, for the sins of your grandparents, for the sins of your great grandparents, and for the sins the rest of your ancestors.)
http://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/national/trumps-praise-of-columbus-omits-dark-history/830794716
— GOP sees how narrow margin is on tax reform  Can Republicans get enough votes? – LAUREN FOX (DIERSEN: Of course, my critics/opponents, their operatives, and their dupes are beyond furious that the deductibility of real estate taxes and medical expenses has enabled my wife and I to save federal taxes by itemizing.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/10/09/christopher-columbus-xx-my-ancestor-wasnt-evil-column/744333001/
— FRONT PAGE: DIERSEN HEADLINE: Anti-Whites, anti-Italian Americans, and anti-Americans say “Christopher Columbus, your ship may have sailed: Indigenous Peoples Day picks up steam.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/08/christopher-columbus-indigenous-peoples-day/744210001/

 

WALL STREET JOURNAL
— Christopher Columbus, Great American  Attacks on the explorer are aimed at Western civilization. – Angela Rocco DeCarlo  (DIERSEN: As Germany becomes more and more and more anti-American, discrimination against German-Americans is diminishing.)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/christopher-columbus-great-american-1507487794
— The GOP’s ‘Tax the Rich’ Temptation  The top 10% of earners already pay 71% of federal income taxes—highest in the developed world. – Phil Gramm (DIERSEN: Should everyone who wants the rich to pay more federal income tax be required to disclose how much federal income tax that they paid during the last year, last 5 years, last 10 years, last 20 years, etc.?  During the last 20 years, I have paid far less federal income tax because my Democrat GAO superiors succeeded in forcing me to take their early retirement “offer” in 1997 when I was 49 years old.)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-gops-tax-the-rich-temptation-1507487704

 

BLOOMBERG
— Trump Demands Wall Funds for DACA, Drawing Rebuke From Democrats – Toluse Olorunnipa and Laura Litvan
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-08/white-house-lays-out-immigration-demands-including-wall-funding

 

NEW YORK MAGAZINE
— Trump Flips Again, Demands Broad Immigration Crackdown in Exchange for DACA Fix – Margaret Hartmann
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/trump-flips-again-wants-immigration-crackdown-for-daca-fix.html

 

ATLANTIC
— The White House Lays Out Its Conditions for Extending DACA  The Trump administration provided a list of immigration reforms it wants fulfilled for a deal to protect young undocumented immigrants. – PRISCILLA ALVAREZ
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/the-white-house-lays-out-its-demands-for-daca/542376/

 

VANITY FAIR
— DIERSEN HEADLINE: An anti-Trump says “TRUMP HOLDS DREAMERS HOSTAGE TO A FAR-RIGHT WISH LIST  The president offers Democrats a devil’s bargain in exchange for DACA.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/trump-holds-dreamers-hostage-to-a-far-right-wish-list

 

FED SMITH
— Should Political Appointees Be Barred From Career Jobs? – Jeff Neal  (DIERSEN: Who are your critics/opponents? Overwhelmingly, my critics/opponents, their operatives, and their dupes promote patronage, political affiliation discrimination, reverse discrimination, age discrimination, and retaliation. Overwhelmingly they are anti-Trump, anti-Protestant, anti-conservative, anti-Republican, anti-American, anti-White, anti-male, anti-older people, anti-rich people, anti-gun owners, anti-German Americans, anti-draft avoiders (except Bill Clinton), and/or anti-those whose ancestors have been in America longer than their ancestors.)
https://www.fedsmith.com/2017/10/09/political-appointees-barred-career-jobs/

Author: David Diersen

The opinions that I express in GOPUSA ILLINOIS emails are based on experience that I have gained doing many things since 1948. I base my opinions on what I learned a) working for the federal government for almost 30 years -- Post Office 1966-1969, IRS 1971-1980, and GAO 1980-1997, serving on the Executive Committee of the Association of Government Accountants Chicago Chapter 1983-1996, and being a union member while I worked for the Post Office and IRS; b) earning an MBA from Loyola in 1976, a masters degree in accounting from DePaul in 1980, and a masters degree in financial markets and trading from IIT in 1997; c) passing the CPA examination on my first attempt in 1979 and passing the Certified Internal Auditor examination on my first attempt in 1981; c) serving as a Republican Precinct Committeeman since 1999, the GOPUSA Illinois Editor since 2000, the TAPROOT Republicans of Illinois Chairman 2005-2012, a member of the 2008 Illinois Republican Party (IRP) Platform and Resolutions Committee, a Wheaton Chamber of Commerce Government Affairs Committee member 2003-2011, the Milton Township Republican Central Committee webmaster 2008-2010 and 2000-2004, an Illinois Center Right Coalition Steering Committee member 2003-2007, and an American Association of Political Consultants Midwest Chapter board member 2001-2004; d) attending the 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016 IRP State Conventions as a delegate; e) being the subject of a nasty 4-page article in the February 1978 issue of Money Magazine; f) pursing litigation including Diersen v. GAO and Diersen v. Chicago Car Exchange; g) being married since 1978; h) living in Crete 1948-1972, in University Park 1972-1976, in Chicago 1976-1978, and in DuPage County, Milton Township, and Wheaton since 1978; and i) being baptized, raised, and confirmed as a Missouri Synod Lutheran.